Phra Pandit Lends his Insight: What Buddhism Says About the Seven Deadly Sins - Part 1 [S7.E30]

Greg 00:00:05  On this episode, we welcome back our friend Phra Pandit to discuss what Buddhism says about the seven deadly sins.

Ed 00:00:12  So if you want to hear what eastern religious ideals say about Western rules against sin, you'll learn a lot in this episode of the Bangkok Podcast.

Greg 00:00:36  Saudi crap. And welcome to the Bangkok Podcast. My name is Greg Jorgensen, a Canadian who came to Thailand in 2001. Because there are a few guarantees when you live in Thailand, and one of them is that you are guaranteed never to get frostbite through that.

Ed 00:00:49  And that is a step in the right direction. And I made Knuth, an American who came to Thailand on a one year teaching contract 23 years ago, fell in love with the fact that Thais rarely tell you what they are really thinking, thus making my life a lot easier. So I never left.

Greg 00:01:07  This is a pretty deep thing, man. Like there's a serious. There's a serious cache to ignorance being bliss.

Ed 00:01:14  Well, when you're used to like, if, you know, I was, I was I was thinking of in terms of I'm used to people giving me shed or criticizing me a lot.

Ed 00:01:21  So so type type people never are straightforward. So I don't have to deal with people criticizing me. So my life is easier.

Greg 00:01:29  But you did a good job. Oh, yes. Fine. Great.

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Ed 00:03:14  Nice.

Greg 00:03:15  All righty. On this episode, we welcome a fan favorite guest back to the show, but with a twist. I am, of course, talking about our venerable friend Prop Bandit. But this time he is talking to us all the way from my motherland, Canada.

Greg 00:03:29  He's currently there getting some R&R, although still very much in his robes and studying Dharma, and I thought it would be fun to get him on the horn to talk about sin, specifically the Seven Deadly ones. Now, I don't know about you, Ed, but I used to be a pretty hardcore Christian in my wayward youth, and it's fair to say that the Seven Deadly sins, or some derivation thereof, play a pretty big role in determining what's right and wrong in most Western cultures. But I was curious what Buddhism said about pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, gluttony, and sloth. Were there any parallels, or would we find out that I don't know, gluttony is totally cool in Buddhist philosophy.

Ed 00:04:04  That would be cool. That'd be great.

Greg 00:04:06  I hope so too. So I dialed into the global series of tubes and got our friend prop handed on the line. But a quick programming note first, due to the very rare occurrence of both Ed and I being on and off the road at various times over the next few weeks, this episode has been broken into two shows, so come back next week for part two.

Greg 00:04:22  Okay, on to our interview with our pal prop ended. All right. We are a happy, happy to be having our one of our oldest and favorite guests coming back to the show this time, joining us from much further away than normal Prop Bandit. Welcome back to the Bangkok Podcast. Can you tell us where you are and why you were there?

Phra Pandit 00:04:52  Yeah. Hey, Greg, I am in Toronto, Canada, so I got an invite and I thought after staying in my room for five years since Covid, I thought I should make the effort and come out. So having got the invite, I thought I would come here. And so I've done a few touristy things. We're not far from Niagara Falls, so I'm going to be visiting there soon. Yesterday I went up the CP tower.

Greg 00:05:25  The CN tower?

Phra Pandit 00:05:25  You mean o CN yeah.

Greg 00:05:28  Well, I was born in Toronto, but I haven't been back since I was eight, so a while.

Phra Pandit 00:05:34  Probably changed a bit. Yeah, it's a bit disappointing.

Phra Pandit 00:05:38  The thing that is really weird for me is there's no people.

Greg 00:05:42  What do you mean? Like, compared to Bangkok?

Phra Pandit 00:05:45  Well. So anyway, like, you go down the street, there's there's, like, no people drive somewhere, there's no people even. I went to Mississauga and there's there's no people. And then I went into the mall, admittedly, just the opening time, about 11:00. Still no people. I just it's just weird. The only time that I've seen people since I've been here is if we took the underground through, you know, underneath Toronto. And that was packed. So it's the first time I've actually seen people since I've been here. Even the roads got no cars. And like in Thailand, you. There's a couple of assumptions that you have. One assumption is there will always be a 7-Eleven within five minutes. Walk. And now I go out for a walk, and I just assume that I can get a bottle of water if I need one. And I find I'm walking for two hours and there's no shop.

Phra Pandit 00:06:45  So that's discombobulating. And also, I'm always trained that when you cross a road, you look right, left, right. And here I have to look left, right, left. So there's a couple of times I've been kneeling, mown down by some car coming from my left. So that's a bit weird. Another thing in Thailand, I would go out somewhere, and I'd always assume that if I get tired or the weather changes, I just hop in a taxi and go home. Yeah. So there's no there's no cars, let alone taxis. And if there is a taxi it's going to cost you like $50. So that's another assumption that you have to change.

Greg 00:07:28  Well, the lack of crowds I guess, is what happens when you have the second biggest country in the world with a population only three times that of Bangkok.

Phra Pandit 00:07:35  So there you go. Yeah. Another weird thing is I realized that every time I go out of a building, I kind of have an expectation it's going to be hotter outside, and then I get hit by like colder air outside and inside just feels weird.

Phra Pandit 00:07:54  I'm still getting used to that.

Greg 00:07:56  I noticed on the video here, you and I are just having a quick video call that you're wearing. It looks like an orange turtleneck, a saffron turtleneck.

Phra Pandit 00:08:02  Yeah.

Greg 00:08:03  I've never seen that before. That's very.

Phra Pandit 00:08:05  Unique. In my room here, it's about 12 degrees. Oh. All right, which is pleasant. Well, but.

Greg 00:08:11  Anyway, we're glad to have you back on the show. And, all the way from my birth city and my birth country. and I thought it would be fun to to to discuss something that, that I think is maybe a bit of a bridge between the Thai culture and the Western culture and, of course, the show. We're always talking about these things and trying to make sense of things and parse them. Parse Thailand through a Western lens. So I thought it would be fun to go through the seven deadly sins, which are very well known in the Western world, and Christian religions. they even have several great movies made about them.

Greg 00:08:47  And I want to ask you what Buddhism says about them. If it says anything at all. Does that sound okay?

Phra Pandit 00:08:53  Sure.

Greg 00:08:54  Let's start with, with my favorite one then. Of course. And you might joke and think it's gluttony, but no, you'd be wrong. It's actually lust. So, according to Wikipedia, let me just read a very quick intro to each one here. Lust is intense longing. It is usually thought of as an intense or unbridled sexual desire which may lead to fornication, rape, bestiality, and other sinful or sexual acts. That's how it's described here. So what does Buddhism say about the feeling of lust and sexual longing?

Phra Pandit 00:09:28  Well, I'm impressed that Wikipedia got all the way to bestiality within about 30 words of the definition, but that's not where my mind was jumping when. Firstly, I've done this experiment a few times and I've gone around to different groups often like business groups who are not really Buddhists. And I'm doing it all and we do the experiments. I say write down what you think are good qualities, and then we give a few minutes.

Phra Pandit 00:09:58  Then I say, write down what you think are bad qualities. Now this is a very mixed audience. There will be Muslims and Christians and atheists. There will be business people. Of all different descriptions. But it's interesting just how similar the list is for everybody in every culture of every age. You can do this with 12 year old kids. You can do this with 60 year old women. I mean, it makes no difference. The list of good and bad qualities is pretty much the same. Now, a Christian would probably put forgiveness higher up on the list than a Buddhist, but it would be on a Buddhist list. Buddhism would probably put mindfulness high up on the list, where as a Christian it would be much lower down. Okay, Muslims, atheists, it doesn't matter. This seems to be an innate understanding amongst human beings of what is a good quality and what is a bad quality. So these lists are really just kind of guides. I always feel we have a couple of these lists in Buddhism, but they're just guides to point out there is good behavior and there is bad behavior.

Phra Pandit 00:11:15  Okay. As for, lust in Buddhism, wrongful sexual conduct is against the precepts. So the core five precepts in Buddhism has this, clause gamez sumi chakra. So karma or karma, not karma, that's that's cause and effect. But gamma, should be restrained in the five precepts. And this is usually defined as unlawful or immoral or harmful sexual conduct. So sexual conduct is okay, just not harmful for regular people. But if you are attending a retreat or if you are ordained, then it should be all sexual conduct is restrained. Okay.

Greg 00:12:03  Does does it does it define what harmful means? I mean that that could probably be a bit elastic, depending on who you ask.

Phra Pandit 00:12:11  No, there's not really any definition. I mean, there was 1 or 2 places you don't sleep with someone else's wife. A couple of things like that that I can't remember. But no, it's nearly always just left at that. Refrain from wrongful sexual conduct. Interesting.

Greg 00:12:28  Okay.

Phra Pandit 00:12:28  All right. And is left to you to know what that is.

Phra Pandit 00:12:31  But it's funny that this is one of the core precepts from Thailand, which is associated with, highly sexual conduct. But I'm sure your listeners will know that Thailand is not really like the the sleaze side of Thailand. It's actually quite small. Most people are pretty moral, pretty well behaved. and that whole side of things gets overplayed in the media. That's really not what Thailand is about. I even was talking to a woman here. She said she didn't want to visit Thailand because of red light districts and things. I think that's just not what Thailand is. She would be safer in Thailand and she would be in London.

Greg 00:13:18  Yeah, well, that's a whole reason why the podcast exists, right? Because we want to show people that there is so much more here than what the media blows up and plasters all over the place because it's so sensationalistic. All right. So the second one. Well, let's get into my second favorite one, of course, gluttony. And this says that gluttony is the overindulgence and overconsumption of anything to the point of waste.

Greg 00:13:41  one reason for its condemnation is the gorging of the prosperous may leave the needy hungry.

Phra Pandit 00:13:47  So what's the difference between gluttony and greed on this list?

Greg 00:13:51  This is, I think, specifically talking about food.

Phra Pandit 00:13:55  Thais are big eaters anyway, right? So they. Yes. What is it? You need four square meals a day or something like that. Again, for monks, quite common. The precept was, we should eat without overeating so that I may continue to live blamelessly and at ease. So this is something that's recited by monks. So we shouldn't overeat. But you do see a lot of fat monks in Thailand, so. Well, it's.

Greg 00:14:20  Because people keep putting sugar drinks and snacks and Conan in their in their arms bowls instead of vegetables and eggs.

Phra Pandit 00:14:26  That's correct. But also in the evenings when we're not eating food, you can eat sugar and honey and molasses and milk, which means ice cream and sweets and fruit juices and all like things that you shouldn't. I think we should rewrite the rules of Buddhism and allow steamed broccoli in the evenings instead of sugar.

Phra Pandit 00:14:49  To make me a lot happier. So that's another reason why you, you see, fat monks is they just take too much sugar.

Greg 00:14:58  Interesting. Well, another little footnote to this one, too. It says, Thomas Aquinas also lists five forms of gluttony. Eating too expensively, too daintily, too much, too soon and too eagerly. So. This is very food based.

Phra Pandit 00:15:15  Yeah, but isn't the key word like two to anything? That's two is two, right? It's kind of a circular definition. It's like saying overeating is eating too much. Well, it's if you say over, you're already answered your own question, right? So if we say too much or too fast or to the word to automatically has that moral judgment is that you have overstepped a boundary. But yeah. So then he's he's leaving it up to you to know what too much is.

Greg 00:15:50  Well, it's interesting too, because it says here that, like I said, it's, eating too much food may leave the needy hungry.

Greg 00:15:57  So there's that sort of. That's almost a very Buddhist way of looking at it in that, you know, you are you are attached to something. And the best way to do it is to let it go and not not focus on having too much things, whether it's possessions or food.

Phra Pandit 00:16:12  Yeah, overstepping the boundaries of anything. These days, though, we have like enough food. It's not like if I eat food, someone else goes without these days. Yeah, right. Thomas Aquinas Day in the Buddhist Day would have been different.

Greg 00:16:26  But okay, let's move on to, to greed. in the words of Henry Edward Manning, greed plunges a man deep into the mire of this world so that he makes it be his God. Greed is an inordinate desire to acquire or possess more than one needs, especially with respect to material wealth. And Aquinas considered that, like pride, it can lead to evil.

Phra Pandit 00:16:49  Yeah, I'm not sure Aquinas really knew what he was talking about, but, he wouldn't be my go to, if you remember King Lear and he was in the wilds, having lost his position as king.

Phra Pandit 00:17:05  This is the Shakespeare play. Greg's looking a little dumbfounded of what I'm talking.

Greg 00:17:09  No, no, I know what you're talking about. I'm on board.

Phra Pandit 00:17:13  And he was this. Somebody said to him that you have enough. And he said, isn't it the mark of humanity that we have more than we need? So this idea of just having what you need, I don't think is really a good goal or a like a worthy cause. The point is to have more than you need. That's what raises humans above animals. A dog eats till it's full and then it runs on. We. We store food in the fridge. We have a better diet. We can. you know, we have a bigger house than you need. You have. You don't need a car. You don't need anything more than a shack. You don't need more than a blanket. I mean, no, to be human is, I think, to have more than you need. So I don't personally, adhere to Thomas Aquinas idea that, all of us have more than we need.

Phra Pandit 00:18:12  And that's that's a good thing. That's a nice thing.

Greg 00:18:15  I don't understand, because I thought that that that, like, the cause of all suffering was desire. So isn't greed the opposite of of of what you're trying to attain with Buddhist principles is the the total rejection of greed and the desire to own more things?

Phra Pandit 00:18:32  Yeah, but you don't come to enlightenment by casting things off and throwing yourself into the forest like a like a dog, which is what used to happen in the Buddha's time, right? People would go into the forest and emulate animals and go around naked, or they would never wash, or they would never eat cooked food. And the Buddha rejected that completely. He tried it himself for six years, these ascetic practices. And then he rejected it and said, that's not going to actually get you enlightened. The question of of greed and desire comes up a lot throughout literature. So there was a number of stories. The journey to the West was one of them, the famous Chinese classic with the monkey spirit, the pig spirit, the sand spirit, the monk and the horse.

Phra Pandit 00:19:20  And the five of them travel from China to India to fetch the true scriptures. And when the first when monkey, the monkey spirit first hooks up with the monk and the horse and he's released. He'd been imprisoned underneath a mountain and fed liquid copper for his food, poured down his mouth, and eventually he's released from this mountain that was on top of him, on the understanding that he will protect the monk who's going to India for the scriptures. Now, the monk in the story represents more or less the ego. The horse represents thinking, and the monkey represents the mind attained to emptiness. It's what his name means Sun Wukong in Chinese. So they come across a town where the villagers are held in fear by this powerful pig spirit. And the pig spirit has taken the most beautiful maiden in the village and locks her up in the back of his house and is taking all the land off. Everybody terrorized all the all the people, so they ask monkey to go and fight him. but the pig spirit had actually was actually working out in the fields, and he was an extremely good worker, and he would till the fields and bring in crops.

Phra Pandit 00:20:47  And so this is a representation of desire. Pig obviously represents like greed and desire. So the point of desire in this story is desire will overpower all the other qualities. However, desire is also the thing that gets things done. He was a good farmer and he was telling the fields and bringing in the crops. So desire has a beneficial side and it has a bad side. Its bad side is it will delude you and put you into fighting with your neighbors and your family. The good thing is that it will motivate you and empower you to do good things. So the same for the spiritual life. It's not desire that causes suffering, because you have to desire to practice and do the meditation and keep precepts right. So there was that was a much deeper, teaching. It wasn't simply about overcoming desire. You look at monks, we desire to wear the robes in a certain way. We shave the head in a certain way. We desire to keep precepts, and we desire to do meditation and and suchlike.

Phra Pandit 00:22:03  So, it's not just the desire itself that's bad. It's a more nuanced story than that. The question of desire, if you remember briefly. Samson and Delilah. Uhhuh. And Samson, when he's finally, has his hair cut and he's overpowered by the Philistines and he's three things happen. He's blinded. He's put to work on a treadmill, grinding corn. So he's blinded, he's bound, and he's put to work. Three things happen to him. And so the explanation for this in Christian, actually this was in Saint John of the cross, was that when you are caught by desire, desire will blind you, it will chain you and it will make you work. So all throughout history, we've had these reflections on the nature of desire. It has a beneficial side, but it has a blinding and binding side to it.

Greg 00:23:07  Also interesting.

Phra Pandit 00:23:09  The word greed obviously implies that word two, right? It's not desire, it's too much desire.

Greg 00:23:15  Right? Right. And that's that's interesting because I've never you know, I haven't studied Buddhism too deeply, but I just know, like what most laypeople know is that desire is what causes unhappiness.

Greg 00:23:26  But you're I've never seen I've never thought of it that way before. That. Yeah. Of course, everyone needs a little bit of desire. You need to desire food and water and shelter and safety and love.

Phra Pandit 00:23:36  Otherwise you become a blob. Become the creator. Right? Yeah. So there are other words that we can use in English, like aspiration is a good word. So we're supposed to foster aspiration.

Greg 00:23:49  Interesting. So. But when aspiration turns to greed, that's when you got to be careful. There we go. All right, I'm going to write this stuff down.

Ed 00:24:09  Well, it was good to hear from prop handed again. It's been a while.

Greg 00:24:12  Yeah. Always good to hear from you. It's so funny because, you know, he wears the monks robes here in Thailand, but when I called him up, he was actually wearing sort of like a turtleneck. But it was. It was saffron. It was an orange turtleneck.

Ed 00:24:25  A saffron turtleneck. Is that for real?

Greg 00:24:27  Yeah, yeah, you got to keep it down, but you got to keep in line, man.

Greg 00:24:30  He says he's a good Buddhist. He doesn't break the break the rules.

Ed 00:24:33  Wait, so he has to dress in a certain color? That's the rule.

Greg 00:24:36  Well, I don't know. I'm just making it up. I'm a layman here, but it was just interesting to see him wearing, wearing something more than clothes appropriate for 36 degrees because he wasn't in that environment.

Ed 00:24:47  Yeah, I don't know the rules about that because I obviously here in town and you never see monks not dressed in a robe.

Greg 00:24:53  Right. This goes back actually to season one when Tony and I used to ask prepended if he could ever wear orange jeans, but I don't think he can.

Ed 00:25:02  Oh. That's funny. you know, this topic I think is fascinating. And obviously the details are different. You know, the insights he, he gives into the Buddhist take are fascinating. But at the same time, I feel like these are some almost universal concepts.

Greg 00:25:22  Yeah, yeah, that's what I got out of this too. And it's actually sort of after we were done talking, I was thinking like, well, well, yeah.

Greg 00:25:28  I mean, even if you take religion completely out of any of this, it just they kind of just make sense. Yeah.

Ed 00:25:34  You're going to probably end up in the same place. You know, there's a big, in the philosophy of religion, there's actually a big debate about this exact topic, you know, and the topic, the topic is really about whether different religions are are teaching truly unique things, or if they're just revealing universals, you know? So it could be some could be some, it could be some traditional African tribe. And on the surface everything looks different and it sounds different and you're like, oh, wow, there's so much diversity in the world. But then, you know, you dig down and you do your research and you find out that they're teaching kids to don't lie, don't steal and respect your mom and dad.

Greg 00:26:15  Right? Yeah, right. You're like, okay, I didn't need I didn't need Moses to come down off the mound to tell me that.

Ed 00:26:20  That's right.

Ed 00:26:21  yeah. Big debate about about that. But, at least this would be some evidence for the idea that things are pretty universal, right?

Greg 00:26:28  Right. But in really interesting conversation, it's always good to get some insight from propaganda. He always puts it in a really unique way, for sure. But it's it's good to see that. Yeah, there are some, some universal constants. And deep down when you dig deep enough, we're all trying to just kind of do the same thing here. So let's all get along.

Ed 00:26:43  Don't be a jerk. That's pretty much what it boils down to.

Greg 00:26:46  Come on people, now smile on your brother as they say. All right, let's do something we call. Would you rather wear one of us picks? Two contrasting situations tied to Thailand to debate and choose which one we'd prefer. Ed, you're on the hot seat this week. What do you got?

Ed 00:26:59  All right, I got two options for you. And I've experienced both of these. So this actually really happened to me.

Ed 00:27:06  Right. But but it does highlight a very general thing about tie culture, which I joked about in the intro. So, Greg, would you prefer a very direct Western style boss who kind of just straightforwardly tells you like you need to work on X, Y, and Z or this sucks, or Or a tie style boss who might hedge around things might hint at what you need to improve, might, you know, leave some suggestions, but kind of you'd have to figure it out on your own. What do you prefer?

Greg 00:27:42  Well, that's a really good question. But for me personally, easy answer. I would much rather get a direct, specific response.

Ed 00:27:53  So you can, you can handle it. You can handle the directness.

Greg 00:27:57  It's not so much that I can handle the directness. It's that I don't know if you know me that well, Ed, but I'm not that smart. And historically, I've not been so good at picking up on subtle hints, especially especially when women are involved.

Greg 00:28:08  But but I yeah, I would much rather just be told what not to do or what to do or what to stop doing, and then I could comply, rather than spending all the brain energy trying to figure it out and probably guessing wrong.

Ed 00:28:22  Yeah, I mean, I think for us, maybe this is an easy question because we're, you know, like the cliche is like our cultures are more direct, but I've experienced this exact thing. And, I think I mentioned this on a, on an early show I did years ago, but when I, when I was flying over here, I didn't know anything about the country, so I, I bought a culture shock. Thailand, a book. That's the only thing I so I on the airplane I read about Thailand. And in the book they had an example of a Thai boss who, who wouldn't tell an employee that they were late and they need to cut it out. Instead, the Thai boss would say something like, oh, I guess traffic was bad today, Right.

Ed 00:29:05  And, and and then fast forward. Fast forward five years. I'm. I'm teaching at Bangkok University, and I was really late for a class like, one day, and unfortunately, I had to make copies so I couldn't go straight to the classroom. I had to go through the office. Oh, okay. And I'm in the office making copies, hoping my boss doesn't see me. And she saw me and she's like, Ginetta. So traffic was bad this morning, wasn't it? You know.

Greg 00:29:31  You're all sweaty and your hair's all miss. You're like, what? I've been here for hours. I don't know what you're talking about.

Ed 00:29:35  Yeah. That's right. so I don't know. It is. You know, the bottom line is, like, western offices can be, you know, there's that it can be kind of directness, can be kind of ugly and stressful.

Greg 00:29:47  Yeah, yeah. And let me be clear, I don't like I would much rather be hinted at. I don't like I mean, I don't think anyone does really being told, hey, this is you're doing this wrong.

Greg 00:29:57  Stop it like no one likes it. I would much rather prefer the gentle letdown, but I think the potential repercussions are probably worse from that. And more embarrassing than I. Yeah, I don't know, it's a good question, but I think ultimately I'd prefer being told directly.

Ed 00:30:12  I think I agree with you. I mean, my my problem with the tie style thing is I'd be afraid. I just didn't I wouldn't pick it up. Like, you're just like, maybe if I was good at reading the tea leaves or or the writing on the wall or whatever metaphor you want to use, then the Thai style would be better. It's just less stressful.

Greg 00:30:28  Yeah, totally.

Ed 00:30:29  But if you could actually. But you and I can't read that stuff, so, like, we need it spelled out.

Greg 00:30:34  Yeah. It's not that I prefer that method, it's just that I like the other method less.

Ed 00:30:38  So we need it, right? We need it. Yeah. All right. I guess we're in agreement.

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